Almost a slideshow ... and position of objects

[JPD]

Here is a new test which is almost a slideshow : Versailles.

The level 1 pictures' size are those of TVHD 1920 x 1080 and have "Fit to screen" and "In percents" options.

All the pictures of the others levels have "Original" and "In pixels" options.

For some views, I have used a 1980 x 1080 gif file as level 1 picture, but when the little problem about size of the rectangle will be corrected, it will better to use a rectangle than this GIF file.

It would be very nice to be abble to chose the size of the rectangle in PTE and not to be obliged to edit the PTE file to change the rectangle size (I know it's possible to change it's size with Zoom function, but it's not so easy than with exact size in pixels).

When using these methods, we can see that PTE work perfectly for the position of the objects and can be smooth even with large pictures, even on 32Mo graphic cards

This slideshow have been made for the meeting about PTE organized in Chantilly by Diapositf last week-end, and everybody saw what's possible to do with this new version.

We can say, even if the work isn't finish that Igor and his team did a very good job. Thanks to them.

I'll put different PTE file to understand how it's done, people who were in Chantilly asked me to cut the file in order it's easier to understand.

[Lin Evans]

Here is a new test which is almost a slideshow : Versailles.

The level 1 pictures' size are those of TVHD 1920 x 1080 and have "Fit to screen" and "In percents" options.

All the pictures of the others levels have "Original" and "In pixels" options.

For some views, I have used a 1980 x 1080 gif file as level 1 picture, but when the little problem about size of the rectangle will be correct, it will better to use a rectangle than this GIF file.

It would be very nice to be abble to chose the size of the rectangle in PTE and not to be obliged to edit the PTE file to change the rectangle size (I know it's possible to change it's size with Zoom function, but it's not so easy than with exact size in pixels).

When using these methods, we can see that PTE work perfectly for the position of the objects and can be smooth even with large pictures, even on 32Mo graphic cards

This slideshow have been made for the meeting about PTE organized in Chantilly by Diapositf last week-end, and everybody saw what's possible to do with this new version.

We can say, even if the work isn't finish that Igor and his team did a very good job. Thanks to them.

I'll put different PTE file to understand how it's done, people who were in Chantilly asked me to cut the file in order it's easier to understand.

Beautiful show, Jean-Pierre. Excellent example of how p2e can be used with innovative techniques to produce both pleasing aesthetics and amazing transitions!

Best regards,

Lin

[thedom]

What a beautiful show !

The use of the new features are really appropriate and done with a lot of creativity.

It's really a perfect example of what can be done.

I think it give us excellent ideas on how to dynamise our slideshows without over-using pan/zoom/rotate features.

We're not allowed to publish boring slideshows anymore.

Thank you very much for sharing Jean-Pierre !

[jevans]

Jean-Pierre,

What a wonderful show. I agree with Thdom's comments. Many of the very clever demonstrations posted so far using Version 5 have rightly been trying to explore the extent of its new features, without worrying too much about producing a finished show, i.e. trying to find the boundaries of what PTE will do.

But, in practice, I suspect that we will all be trying to make a show such as yours using the special Version 5 features as you have to make a show which will delight specialists and non-specialists alike. Very well done, I enjoyed it very much.

Jeff

[JohnFeg]

Here is a new test which is almost a slideshow : Versailles.

Very much enjoyed "Versailles" Jean-Pierre.

Many of your transitions were most tasteful and creative.

You set a standard to work towards.

Many thanks for sharing.

John

[alrobin]

JP,

You have shown us a few more clever ways to use the new PZR effects in PTE. Thanks so much for sharing. You have added another dimension to the use of frames. Your photography of Versailles is great too.

We didn't go there when we were in Paris a few years ago as there wasn't time, but it looks like we missed seeing a beautiful place. Next time!

[Ronniebootwest]

ways to use the new PZR effects in PTE.

Once again I must show my ignorance and ask what 'PZR' means.

Not everyone understands these abbreviations!

[Michel]

Ronnie,

Pan Zoom Rotate as PicturesToExe

It's funny, no ?

[alrobin]

Once again I must show my ignorance and ask what 'PZR' means.

Sorry, Ronnie,

I thought it was a well established acronym by now, as it's already been used a half a dozen times in various posts. I like it better than "KBE" ("Ken Burns Effects"). Perhaps we should call it "PZRO", to include "Opacity".

[Michel]

Al,

do you notice, for one time, PZR means the same in french ?

[alrobin]

Al,

do you notice, for one time, PZR means the same in french ?

No, I didn't realize that - neat! Thanks for pointing that out.

[thedom]

Perhaps we should call it "PZRO", to include "Opacity".

Or even "PZRCO" to include "Center" !

(same abbreviations in french too)

[JPD]

I'll put different PTE file to understand how it's done

Here is the first group of Versailles' transitions with different options

I also wrote :

It would be very nice to be abble to chose the size of the rectangle in PTE and not to be obliged to edit the PTE file to change the rectangle size

I am very happy, Igor said today :

Also now it will possible to change virtual size of Rectangle

Great !!! It will be easer than gif files and need less Ko and less memory in graphics cards.

Many thanks Igor.

Al

We didn't go there when we were in Paris a few years ago as there wasn't time, but it looks like we missed seeing a beautiful place. Next time!

First thank you for your comments and I hope than next time you will have enough time to go there. There is another castle, smaller but very beautifull near Paris, it's Vaux le Vicomte.

Louis 14 had the idea of Versailles when seeing Vaux le Vicomte.

Ebenist, I am happy you enjoyed Versailles, nice place indead.

Jeff

using the special Version 5 features

First thanks for your comments, I am sure there are many and many things to do with V5. I didn't want to do too many effects for this slideshow.

Thedom

You have many ideas how to use V5, we all wait for your next demo :-)

Tu ne manques pas d'idées non plus, on attend avec impatience tes prochains tests

Lin,

Thanks for your comments.

You said about your test "Puzzle"

Probably not worth doing though for the future because it's way too time consuming to get the positioning correct.

I use a method which is enough simple and with very good results for slideshows as Puzzle :

First make a invert colors of the main image and put it in a view, then put the objects and put the transparency at 50 %. I work with "original" option for the objets.

If you move the object above the similar part in the main image, you will have a perfect grey when it's at the good place. Make the same for all the objects.

When finish, put all the objects at transparency = 100% and replace the picture with invert colors by the right picture.

[thedom]

The level 1 pictures (...) have "Fit to screen" and "In percents" options.

All the pictures of the others levels have "Original" and "In pixels" options.

I still don't undesrtand why.

Could you please give me some more explanations.

Thanks.

Here is the first group of Versailles' transitions with different options

I'm definitely gonna have a look at it !

I use a method which is enough simple and with very good results for slideshows as Puzzle :

First make a invert colors of the main image and put it in a view, then put the objects and put the transparency at 50 %. I work with "original" option for the objets.

If you move the object above the similar part in the main image, you will have a perfect grey when it's at the good place. Make the same for all the objects.

When finish, put all the objects at transparency = 100% and replace the picture with invert colors by the right picture.

Really astute !

[JPD]

QUOTE(JPD @ Jun 12 2006, 10:55 AM)

The level 1 pictures (...) have "Fit to screen" and "In percents" options.

All the pictures of the others levels have "Original" and "In pixels" options.

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I still don't undesrtand why.

Could you please give me some more explanations.

Thanks.

I have made a little exemple in order you see what I mean, the fourth first views are with 1st level fit to screen and the other level with "original" option.

By the same time, I explain the method to have a good position as I told you several days ago : I use a picture with inverted colors and put the objects at transparency=50%. When it's good, the object is grey.

Nota : I use "Pixels" option for the objects, and all my pictures with size finishing by 0, 2, 4, 6 or 8, so the value in the Pan Window is always entire to have the good position. I have just to click on the arrows of the Pan Windows to put he object at the good place.

The 5th view is the same method as several people on this forum used : all the objects are at level 1. I haven't finish this view. Try to finish, you will understand. Without Excel, I was enable to do it correctly !

Note : Des explications plus détaillées en français sont sur ce lien

[thedom]

Jean-Pierre,

I'm really impressed with your technique !

I have to study it a little bit more but I'm afraid I will have 2 or 3 more questions.

But I will let you know tomorrow because I need to sleep right now.

Thanks for sharing, really !

[thedom]

Jean-Pierre,

I "played" a little bit with your project this morning.

And I don't understand how you can apply PZR on the sub-objects with your mouse.

When I click on a sub-object and try to pan it with the mouse, it affects the parent object.

So, in my case, the only option I have with those sub-objects to pan them is to enter numeric values in the animation tab.

Igor is aware of the problem and will implement a solution in the next beta.

So how did YOU do it ?

Thanks.

[alrobin]

And I don't understand how you can apply PZR on the sub-objects with your mouse.

When I click on a sub-object and try to pan it with the mouse, it affects the parent object.

So, in my case, the only option I have with those sub-objects to pan them is to enter numeric values in the animation tab.

Thedom,

You have to make sure you have one of the object's keypoints highlighted too, or you won't be able to "grab" the object. Also, grab it at a spot where there is no other object "in front" of it.

At least this worked OK on slide #5. On slide #1 the rectangle is "in the way", so you have to put it to "back" temporarily.

[JPD]

the sub-objects with your mouse.

I don't click on the sub-object but "I have just to click on the arrows of the Pan Windows to put he object at the good place". To do that I must be on a keypoint.

This arrows change the position of one pixel at each click and as the position is an entire number, it's enough easy to do.

May be I'll ask to Igor that in the future there is a function to put all the Pan values of selected objects at the nearest entire value in pixel, we will earn much time.

[alrobin]

I don't click on the sub-object but "I have just to click on the arrows of the Pan Windows to put he object at the good place". To do that I must be on a keypoint.

This arrows change the position of one pixel at each click and as the position is an entire number, it's enough easy to do.

May be I'll ask to Igor that in the future there is a function to put all the Pan values of selected objects at the nearest entire value in pixel, we will earn much time.

JP,

I've already asked Igor if he could allow picking up of "hidden" objects with the mouse - that is much faster than using the arrow keys, which is a good way to do it at the present, and will always be a good way to achieve small exact movements. However, if there are no objects in the way, it is possible to pick up other objects, even if they are behind other smaller ones.

If Igor could provide for movement of a "hidden" object by clicking on its centre point and moving with the mouse, just as we can now resize such objects by clicking on their edge points, this would help a lot in positioning these objects.

[JPD]

Yes Al, I have understand this point, but to put an object at the absolute right place witout any pixel of error, it's not possible to do that with the mouse. In V4.xx, the position of the objects was absolutely perfect, and it's the same with V5, but it's not so easy to do precision because there are not only entire number of pixel (I know why and it's normal), for all objects at zoom 100% we only need half and entire pixel, when working as I do (the same as for 4.4) and only entire pixel if your picture is a pair number for it size, what I always use.

I've already asked Igor if he could allow picking up of "hidden" objects with the mouse

It's a good Idea, it will not be necessary to change several times the order of the objects when moving them with the mouse, what I did for the first view of the exmple.

[alrobin]

Yes Al, I have understand this point, but to put an object at the absolute right place witout any pixel of error, it's not possible to do that with the mouse.

Oui, je comprends.

[JPD]

Al, you succeed to understand with all the mistakes I do, bravo :-)

[thedom]

I've already asked Igor if he could allow picking up of "hidden" objects with the mouse

I'm not sure it is what Igor will do...

I got the feeling that, instead of picking up a hidden object, he takes the opposite approach : make an object transparent for click.

It's the same goal but it's not the same approach and to be honest, I would prefer Al's solution (ie directly choose the "hidden" object you want).

Unless there is something I don't understand (again!)

To improve and make more easier work with masks, backgrounds I added special parameter for an object - "Transparent for Click". With this option object can't choosed, dragged, or rotated visually. Only if you select object via List of Objects. So mask which cover entire slide will not be problem to work with other objects.

[alrobin]

I'm not sure it is what Igor will do...

The way I understood Igor is this: there will be a special option so that an object can only be selected for panning using the mouse if it is highlighted in the object list.

If it's not possible to select by clicking on the centre-point, then this method would be fine for me. With it, one could choose from the list which object he or she wanted to move, etc. However, that option would disable the ability to just click on an object to highlight it. That doesn't worry me too much, as long as we can select it from the list.

However, I don't understand why "Pan" can't work the same way that "zoom" and "rotate" work, where the action is applied to whatever object happens to be highlighted at the moment. But, Igor must have his reasons.

Al, you succeed to understand with all the mistakes I do, bravo :-)

JP, your English is very understandable - much better than my French!! I admire all you people for whom English is not your first language, and you have to translate all of these complicated posts from English to your own language, and then back again when you reply.