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Hawk: Thanks for the tip re the file names. I embarrassingly posted that request as somehting for a new version (to bring it back) and someone very nicely pointed at the same settings you did to give me what I wanted. I hung my head in shame....

Oops !!! Yes that is what I meant. Missed it !! I'll go hide my head in shame Thank you

I realize it is a question of what one is used to, but in ver 5 the file pane does not provide for a listing of the file names. There are certainly advantages in having the thumbnail view, and I use it. But once the files are selected I find the thumbnail view very distracting, especially with the problem re Auto Scroll 2 (see Auto scroll 2 oddity It would be nice if ver 5 had the option that was available in ver 4 and before. See screen shot below I suspect there would not be a high demand for this, but if it is an easy fix, maybe it could be put back in as an option thanks

Ralph: Thanks Yes that does solve it, although I guess I would call it a "workaround" as I prefer working with a larger mini-player. (yes compared to ver 4 the mini player reduced the way you have is much better, but "give me an inch and I want a mile" Again it is a matter of getting used to something. If there is no fix on this from Igor then I have to decide amongst: - Auto Scroll 1 - much reduced mini player screen with Auto scroll 2 - reduce the acceleration settings under PROPERITIES > SETTINGS> ADVANCED Below is the screen I like to work with (sure would be nice to have the "old" option of having the file names only in the file window pane !

Peter: Yes it would be nice to have all those options you suggest. (Adobe Premiere, another video based program, has somewhat similar features) Like John I do a lot of shows with voice sound bites, sound effects and multi music tracks. I have learned to work around the absence of the options you have suggested, by putting the sound bites/effects attached to individual slides and running the mixed music tracks through the Music TAB. I then add/remove silence from the sound bites to get them placed where I want with each applicable slide. When I have everything synched, I multi track the sound bites/effects with the music track using the time from the PTE timeline where the applicable slide starts. Finally I then reduce the music track behind the sound bites It is a lot of to'ing and fro'ing between PTE and the sound editor..... Your suggestion would help

From what little playing I have done in 5.6, I will gladly second what Peter and Ed are saying

Anthony: In reality there is no real benefit of Scroll 1 vs Scroll 2, except Scroll 2 was on offer from a long time ago and I got used to it and I like it. If it had never been offered I would never be the wiser. (Of course the same would apply to all the users who like Scroll 1, if it had not been on offer, they would be used to using scroll 2. ) It is all what you get used to, but yes you can teach an old dog (me) new tricks and I can learn to live with Scroll 1 only, but not until I have a kick at the cat at keeping scroll 2. (Too many animals in here ) Hawk mentioned : It does for first 4 slides before hesitation starts ? I find the hesitation started halfway down the timeline. ie, if the timeline showed 62 seconds of width, the blue triangle flowed smoothly until it reach the 31 second mark and then the hesitation started, and when it got 31 seconds from the end, it smoothed out again. If I zoomed in the timeline and reduced the 62 seconds to something like 40, then it started to hesitate at 20 seconds. Ken: Refresh rate is 60, that is all I have on offer.

Thanks Dave (and Ken) That reference is essentially the same as the first one, except as you point out that they want me to re-set the acceleration every time I use PTE. As you say that is not all that practical, possible, but not that practical (especially closing everything I have open. As mentioned in a post two above, I'll keep an eye on the computer performance and see if the setting of the hardware acceleration two notches lower is having any negative effects. If it is, then I guess I may have to re-set it every time, or bite the bullet and switch to using auto scroll 1. Thx again

By Jove, I think you have it !!! My hardware acceleration was set at full, I dropped it down a notch and the Auto Scroll 2 was OK. Mind you while typing this I went back and checked again, and it was much better, but still spluttered once. So I knocked the acceleration down another notch and it seems almost perfect, there is am infinitesimal non-smoothness, but you have to be watching very closely for it. Let's see if that solves Hawk's problem too. Looks like this will solve the issue and let me have my favourite Auto scroll style back, I'll just have to watch out and see if the setting change affects anything else. I still can pause the mini-player by left clicking anywhere in the mini-player pane, and again, if I left click in the file pane and then try left clicking in the mini-player pane, no pause. Thanks !!!

Dave: I checked to be sure, hardware acceleration was turned on my show

Ralph: I dug out my two laptops and and at first thought your theory re the video card size was the answer, but..... Laptop One: Toshiba M30 NVIDIA GeForce Go 5200 64mb, 512mb RAM screen res 1024x768 Auto Scroll 2 ran fine. (I forgot to test for left clicking in the mini-player pane to see if it would pause) Laptop Two Toshiba U200 Intel 945GM Express 128mb, 1gb RAM, screen res 1280x800 Auto Scroll ran OK !!!!! Left clicking in mini-player pane would pause the run. And again if I left clicked in File pane (this time without opening an image from the file) and then tried left clicking in the mini-player, it did NOT pause.

Didn't make a difference at my end. I restarted PTE to be sure Thx for the suggestion

Ralph: I double checked that clicking off the PTE window would not pause the play in the mini-player (I had not checked that) It does not Only happens when I left click within the min-viewer pane as observed before

We have a few leads on similar terminology with the Canon Projector. It would have been more helpful to have more support from Canon (and Panasonic) on this. Unfortunately access to the Canon projector (our camera club projector) is not as simple as accessing my Panasonic which is in my "AV room" semi-permanently set up, plus Ed and I are "tested out" at this point but we will be following up soon. In the meantime we are hoping this might be a lead that others with the same problem can follow up on and report any success.

Ralph: Yes weird as you say...... My screen is 1280x1024. With PTE open on the full screen the timeline scroll 2 does the spluttering as we have seen, reduce it to about 1024x768 (approx) or smaller and everything sails along smoothly as you say. Yes left clicking in the mini-player pane causes it to pause and start upon a new left click. you can repeat this as many times as you want. Left click in the file pane (left side) and it stops and opens up the image you clicked on. Click again on the mini-player start button and away it runs again, but the left click anywhere in the min-player pane won't pause it. To get the pause with left click anywhere on mini-player pane, I have to stop it and send it back to zero and hit play.

Just a quick correction the feature is called FRAME LOCK, not FRAME RATE

Further to post #8 above: When I said the spluttering was worse, I have just noticed that I was using a different show. When I use a show with just fade transitions, Scroll 2 stops only when going through the fade, otherwise the blue triangle carries on fine. During the stoppage the pause and stop buttons are not effective. However when I run a show of animations (pans and zooms) with a fade between each one, the blue triangle stops on the fade and then splutters and stops during the animation. During which the pause/stop buttons are not effective. In all cases the show continues normally, it is just the scrolling that is the issue No difference with my Anti-virus (AVG ) turned off

Hi Hawk Well I am "glad" I am not the only one with the issue. I never noticed the sluggish response to the PAUSE so I went back and tried it Yes I have the same issue only it is worse now. It used to only stall at the grey transition line, now it is spluttering along the whole line. I also figured out the why it reacted 31 seconds from the start and wenmt back to normal at 31 seconds from the end. That is the halfway point on my TIMELINE that is visible on my screen. i.e. the point at which it would normally start scrolling at the front or stop scrolling at the end If I zoom in, then the same issue starts at the new halfway point.

Two thoughts - both might not be the issue: I have in the past accidentally created a WAV file with the wrong frequency. I used something other than 44,100mhz that gave me the kind of result you are seeing The other option is check TIMED POINTS > SET END OF LAST SLIDE TO END OF MUSIC. I had that issue bringing the music in from another ver of PTE and clicking on that solved the issue without making a mess of my synching

While it is somewhat embarrassing, we seem to have solved the jittery projection associated with my projector, the Panasonic PT-LB10U. This was one of the two projectors Ed and I have been using in our tests. There is a function called FRAME RATE that we were unaware of (as we hadn't read/understood the manual clearly enough) With FRAME RATE turned "on" the jitteriness smooths right out on our test files of pans and zooms. Obviously we haven't tested every animation that has been run in PTE. Nor have we resolved the issue with the Canon Sx50 projector nor Peter's Dell projector along with other people's projectors that we have heard from during this post. If interested, the reference to the FRAME RATE is on page 42 of the PT-LB10U manual which can be found here The hint to try the Frame Rate came from a member of our Camera Club who has been lurking around this forum as well our updates to the situation on our Club website

Dave: While a test file would be great, I think we need to apply the brakes here a little. It would be nice to hear from Igor on this issue. He has worked many magic "tricks" with PTE to look after all our varying requests. It is been suggested in other posts in this thread, that maybe it is a "simple" matter of slowing the frame/refresh rate on certain animations or another option for outputting an .exe file for projection. We also don't know yet why some computers seem to be able to handle the projection issue with no problems. Is it that they can reduce the refresh rate (with or without the operator knowing) and/or is it a matter of some internal chip set or internal coding? It may well be the refresh/frame rate is the only factor, but we don't absolutely know (but it is a good bet) but we need to eliminate other causes/solutions first. The test file that Ed has made available was prepared after many weeks of trail and error in identifying the problem. We found that the image size (pixel or kb) make very little if any difference in the projection issues. Not sure why that file would not be a good starting place. BUT what about other animations and effects...do they have problems with projection alone ? Ed and I tested with pans and zooms as that is where we are in our shows, we are not into the many other animations that can be used to create a more "with it" show. (Ed and I (well me anyway) are "old school" photographers and AV producers. I happened to view JP Dollangère's Mon Maitre show the other day. It is a great show of the practical use of PTE (although some of the aspects might be more of a demo than practical use to my mind - but I still think it is something for me to aspire to). But it strains my computer (at PTE's recommended specs)to say the least. The projector has issues with it, but not the jitteriness that we have with simple pans and zooms so I am inclined to think that had I computer spec'ed to handle that show, the projection might (?) be OK. So there maybe is a need to re-quantify the specs needed for PTE first. (and should that be on a level based on what aspects of the software you are going to use )

Dave: I suspect a 30 second pan of that file would pass our projector test with no issue. We know a 2244x768 image smooths out between 25 and 30 seconds We also found that it is not so much the size (pixel or kb) that affects jitteriness/wipe/etc. Once you have slowed the pan down enough, the frame rate issue is not really an issue because the movement is so slow. We also feel a 30 second pan is not realistic to be used. SOmething more like 10-15 seconds maybe Just my thoughts

Dave: I suspect a 30 second pan would pass a test with no issue. We know a 2244x768 image smooths out between 25 and 30 seconds We also found that it is not so much the size (pixel or kb) that affects jitteriness/wipe/etc. Once you have slowed the pan down enough, the frame rate issue is not really an issue because the movement is so slow. We also feel a 30 second pan is not realistic to be used. SOmething more like 10-15 seconds maybe Just a my thoughts

Ken: Didn't there was much wheat around Sarnia - just oil You have a thresher we could borrow to separate the wheat from the chaff ?

Aside from the Canon Realis Sx50 projector, we have been testing with my Panasonic PT-LB10U Panasonic was sent a set of test files and their explanation for the jitteriness is: (this is in line with some of the musings we have had from responders to this thread) The jerkiness is related to how the picture frame is process. On old CRT monitor. The picture is process line by line. Therefore you will not see any jerkiness. On most flat panel display or projectors, the picture is process frame by frame. The actual displayed frame and the incoming frame are not at the same frequency. Therefore some in coming frame will have to be dropped every now and then. That is why you see the jerkiness on a pan. The faster the refresh rate of the graphic card, the more jerkiness the display is. The displayed frame is very close to a video frame that is why you can hardly see it in video. I would suggest try a computer with a component out and feed it to the projector through the VGA port and change the VGA port to YPbYr. Then you should be able to select 720p or 1080i signal which will give you the higher resolution.