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Igor's reply: Dave, Yes, I programmed this behaviour specially for the timeline mode. It's a small exception to the rule. Otherwise time point could "jump" to forward or backward after dragging of its grey bar (transition effect) to keep full duration of previous slide. So, I repeat my caution, if you want your change in transition time to just have an effect on ONE slide use the Customise Slide or Slide View to do it. Changing a transition Time using the time line is going to have an effect on TWO slides. DG

Gary, I think that we are at cross purposes. My Caution was really in reply to Robert who mention in Post #11 the fact that you could drag transitions in the Timeline. This is having the adverse effect which I think is illogical. DG

No Gary, It is possible to change a transition time in the timeline and this is what is having an adverse effect. DG

A word of caution. Dragging transitions in the timeline should be avoided at present. There is a possible anomaly which I have asked Igor for an opinion on. Changing transitions via Customise Slide ONLY has an effect on the slide being changed. Dragging transitions in the Timeline has an effect on the Duration of the previous slide. I don't think that this is correct. Awaiting message from Igor. DG

Sorry Peter, Maybe I should have included full message: "Dave, If you perform a new installation (in other words, you didn't have previous v7.0.0), this option is unticked by default. If you had previous v7.0.1 installed, this option will have same state according previous version (7.0.0). " I installed yesterday's download and needed to refresh my Template. DG

Peter, Daniel, I had the same problem and PM'ed Igor. Long story short - it is probably reading your last setting before loading the new BETA. Make a new Template in the new Beta and it will be OK ....... BUT If you tick the box and close it will STILL remember the last setting. DG

give an example? dg

It KEEPS the full duration if you move a slide from position A to position B. It is applicable to both Slide and Timeline views. A full slide duration includes TWO transitions and the Time between them. If you set up a transition time of 2 sec and duration of 8 - in the time line you will see 2>4>2 for each new slide. The last transition in slide one is the first transition in slide two. DG

All, Please take a look at this thread: ....and tell me if you see any parallels or lessons that can be learned and applied to the discussion about the new timing method. The "lesson" that I refer to does not provide an argument for either side here but I think that it is relevant. DG

Peter, A good argument, but it wasn't the straightforward inclusion of the video that caused the problem which initiated the new method. It was the pitfalls that CAN occur when such slides are moved around. I think that it has to be recognized also that some people (possibly not you or I) are going to want to overlap videos and the software has to be able to cope with all user's requirements. DG

Sorry Sir, I'll stick to the agenda! I have ALWAYS, when moving from one animated image into another (not video) overlapped the two transitions. I conducted a poll a few years ago asking the membership of our CC which one was preferable/ more acceptable and 100 hundred hands went up in favour of overlapping transitions/animations. DG

Can we agree on two things? Firstly to Differ on the above statement and secondly to move on - my compromise suggestion might achieve both objectives. DG

Me? Provocative? Never! I just think that it is too early to make a statement like that and that my compromise will PROVE that you are right (or not). Best wishes, DG

I don't necessarily agree with Peter's assessment - I think that more time is needed to make such a sweeping statement as: "....we do not need this new slide duration technique, do we?" In order to move on however, I have made the following suggestion: Igor, In order to progress I would like to offer a suggestion: In FILE> NEW offer the user the option to create a New File with EITHER the old, 6.5, Keep Full Slide Duration Unticked method..... ....OR the new, 7.0.1, Keep Full Slide Duration Ticked method. Not both. Remove the Keep Full Slide Duration tickbox from the User Interface. That way users can work in one method or the other until: a. The percieved "bugs" are ironed out b. Users are more comfortable with the 7.0.1 method. At some time in the future in might be possible to re-integrate the two methods and in the meantime we can all concentrate on other more important issues. I think that this would be a workable compromise and I recommend it to the forum. DG

Igor, In order to progress I would like to offer a suggestion: In FILE> NEW offer the user the option to create a New File with EITHER the old, 6.5, Keep Full Slide Duration Unticked method..... ....OR the new, 7.0.1, Keep Full Slide Duration Ticked method. Not both. Remove the Keep Full Slide Duration tickbox from the User Interface. That way users can work in one method or the other until: a. The percieved "bugs" are ironed out b. Users are more comfortable with the 7.0.1 method. At some time in the future in might be possible to re-integrate the two methods and in the meantime we can all concentrate on other more important issues. I think that this would be a workable compromise and I recommend it to the forum. DG

Colin, A word of caution? Please make sure that you are 100% satisfied with your slide order before modifying the Waveform Envelope. Moving slides after creating an envelope would necessitate starting again with the envelope. The envelope will not automatically adjust. DG

Colin, It should look something like this: DG

Colin, In Project options add a piece (or pieces) of music equal to the whole length of the project. Click on CUSTOMISE and then on the WAVEFORM Icon. In the Waveform and Envelope Tool you can click on any part of the waveform and you'll get dotted lines. You can the drag these to create the "envelope" producing the lowering of volume that you require. You can do this multiple times. You will need to know the precise times of the lowering and raising of the volume before starting. DG

Peter, I got as far as your step 6 and I immediately saw that what you were going to do was impossible and would give overlapping transitions. Because I can pre-visualise in V7.0.1. My other observation which I have made a number of times is that I don't understand this switching back and forth between systems to prove a point - start with either 6.5 timings or 701 timings and continue until the project is finished. In the real world no one will want to switch! Even in a teaching/demonstration scenario it is not necessary. I'll say it again - this is probably the FIFTH time. I'm not endorsing V7.0.1. But when I see people arguing because they do not seem to understand the implications of what they are doing i.e don't seem to understand how v7.0.1 works I feel the need to explain. From where I'm sitting neither yourself nor Jill (?) are Video users and would probably never use V7.0.1 timings - like me you would probably stick with V6.5 timings - so why is it such a big deal? Please don't answer that - I've lost it. DG

Peter, You MUST think of each slide as having THREE elements - not two. And the last element of any slide is also the first element of the next slide. DG

Jill, Think what you are asking it to do? You started with: 2>3>2>3>2>5 Which can also be shown as: 2>3>2 2>3>2 2>5 Three slides - colours show that the two RED numbers are the same transition and the two Green numbers are the same transition. Now this is what you asked for: 2>3>2 2>2.5>2.5 2.5>4.5 Each of the slides has maintained its 7 second duration. If you want the increase of the slide three duration to have no effect on slide two then you have to alter the duration of slide two to 7.5 seconds. 2>3>2 2>3>2.5 2.5>4.5 It's a different way of thinking. DG The coloured portions in the JPEG below are always linked:

Thanks Igor. Like Peter - no problems with the "Keep Full Slide Duration" tick box. DG

Thanks Stu, that's three people who have seen it. The installation on my laptop overwrote V7 in its default folder but the installation on my desktop was in a new and different folder. It occured in both installations and the same method cured both problems. DG

Peter, In SLIDE VIEW you can click on the Transition Time and Duration figures for each slide and change them by typing or scroll wheel. See PM. DG P.S. My original Template was a V7 Template (not V6 as per yours) "what kind of option is it?" Its Default state is off.

Folks, I think that I have cracked it. Not saying that there is not a bug but I have (I think) neutralised it. I had a HOUSE (Hugh Laurie) moment! I opened PTE 7.0.1 and made sure that the "intermittent" fault/bug was not there. I then created a blank 1920x1080 template and overwrote my original 1920x1080 template. In Manage Templates I told PTE to use 1920x1080 Template for new projects and Bingo, no further problems. Tried it on both Desktop and laptop machines - no problem. DG