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Sorry Dave, but as you can read it in my previous post, I've selected the option at the very beginning of a new project and I have not changed it after, so I do not understand your comment! But in any case, as I said in my previous post, if this option must not be changed during a project, this option must be moved inside Project Options otherwise it is not logical. But from my point of view it would be better to leave it at the same place and to be able to change it at any times depending on the needs (for example if you need to add a video clip for the slideshow purpose after starting a new project with the option unticked). Best regards Daniel

Dave, what do you mean by Time points option? I do not change anything concerning time points. If you want to say that "Keep full slide duration" option must be selected or not once for all for a specific project, in this case the option must be moved inside "Project Options". But I think the actual problems are not there. Daniel

Jill, Sorry, I got exactly the same problem you have described in your previous post, this is more likely due to a new bug. It seems that depending on initial conditions of PTE project, either it works in the right way (my post), either it works in the wrong way (your post)! That seems in line with Dave experience. Best regards Daniel

Jill, I desagree with your comment something is going wrong. On my side unticked = old method (slide duration = duration specified) ticked = new method (slide duration = slide duration specified-effect duration except for the last one which keep the duration specified) So it is convenient for me. Igor, I have detected an old problem and some news old problem : duration values by default are sometimes 2/7 or 2/5 (effect/slide) depending on initial conditions I think there is still a "memory effect" somewhere. new problems : - open a new project - option unticked - drag and drop 3 slides - 2/7 2/7 2/7 - Via project options I specify new values 4/9 it comes - 4/9 4/9 4/9 then I've ticked the option, it comes : - 4/5 4/5 4/9 That is OK except that the slide duration indicated in the Customize Slide window is not in line with the slide duration specified in Project Options which is not logical and will be misleading Starting from this point : - 4/5 4/5 4/9 1) if you drag and drop some new slides it comes - 4/5 4/5 4/9 4/9.....???? should be - 4/5 4/5 4/5 ....4/9 2) if you move one slide to another place for example n°2 to third position it comes - 4/5 4/9 4/5 ???? should be - 4/5 4/5 4/9 Best regards Daniel

Hi Igor, I've made some tests with this 701 beta. I agree with Dave the main problem is not solve and even it seems there is a new bug. - validate the option "Keep full slide duration" - begin a new project - put 3 slides on the timeline - specify 4/9 duration (effect/slide) on the main tab of project options, each - select one slide (n° 2 or 3) and click on "customize slide) without modifying parameters, click on OK button and you will see that duration of n-1 slide is incremented each time you click on the OK button of Customize slide. To answer your question, personnaly I think that a slide cannot be linked with the both effects that will lead to new misleading. I agree with Jill proposal (see my previous post on this subject). Just a remark, the people who are used to edit video know perfectly well that the ending transition duration must be deducted of the movie duration itself. So if necessary to make some different duration calculations for PTE why not only when video clips are inserted , I could agree with Dave on this point. Best regards Daniel

It seems that could be only a coincidence, some other tests achieved with another PC /W7 gives for duration default values either 2/7 either 2/5 depending on initial conditions of PTE and if "Show total duration" has been ticked or unticked on a previous project even if this previous project has been closed and even if PTE has been restarted... Daniel

Peter I am not in favour to lock a transition with a slide, because moving a slide to another place and you could have to modify the transition, I think, in such a case, it could be simpler for the PTE user to specify a new transition if he needs it. For me slide and transition (effect) should be independent (if total transition duration is longer than slide duration that is the fault of PTE user and not the fault of PTE but an error message could help), I agree with what Jill said in a previous post. Daniel

Peter 1) If "Keep total slide duration" is ticked at the very beginning of one project => new method in this case if "Show the total slide duration" is ticked then the value on the thumbnail should be equal to the slide duration (including effect) = duration specified and if "Show the total slide duration" is unticked then the value on the thumbnail should be equal to the slide duration specified - effect duration 2) If "Keep total slide duration" is unticked at the very beginning of one project => old method in this case if "Show the total slide duration" is ticked then the value on the thumbnail should be equal to the slide duration specified + effect duration and if "Show the total slide duration" is unticked then the value on the thumbnail should be equal to the slide duration specified as it was earlier in v6.5 But unfortunatly, today there are some incoherencies (to be fixed) depending on the actions (refer to our discussion above) Daniel

Hi Lin you are perfectly right, that was the reason why I suggested in my previous post (here) that all these problems could have a common origin with a memory effect. It seems (i am not sure at all) that the 2s effect duration value by default is either added, either substracted. In any case something to be fix. Daniel

Hi Peter, first of all, thank you, for the time you spent understanding my "complicated" post, I have really appreciated your comment and concern for beginners. In your post, I agree with you, 18s is not very intuitive but can be explainable to beginners and understandable following the rules which apply with the new method, and having a look on the timeline things becomes clearer. But discrepancies and inconsistencies I ve raised in my previous post are neither explainable neither understandable. Dave I am not against the new method but in favour of KISS and that is not the case! Yes I should be able to change several parameters at the same time with "project options" every PTE user do that a lot of times! It should not result of that some discrepancies with the main rule. I am sure you can manage with that but it is not the right way. You said to Peter : " Yes you are right and there is no problem for all members of this forum who participate to beta tests because as you, they know the trap, but it is very confusing for beginners and that is the reason why we suggested to Igor to move these two options in main tab of Projetc options. I think it is not a good advice to say Igor : let things as it is today we can manage..... Igor is able to analyze the situation and take the right decision for PTE. A customer who pay for a service has no patience! Jill I full agree with that. Daniel

Igor, it seems that this specific problem is linked with clear pagefile at shutdown validated or not under XP, if validated = 2/5 then 2/7 if not validated = always 2/7 Best regards Daniel.

It appears that after PC reboot, the default values for duration are 2/5 and not 2/7 but closing a project and opening a new one, the default values become 2/7 and remain up to the next reboot (or restart). Perhaps a memory problem.... Daniel

Hi Dave, I agree with your comments if you unchecked "Show full slide duration" Let me consider only the problem n°1 with "Show full slide duration selected" the indication of slide duration given on the time line includes the effect duration so starting a new project it will comes by default 2/7 ; 2/7 ; 2/7 ; 2/7 but if I decide to modify duration parameters inside project options let say 4/9, I should read 4/9 ; 4/9 ; 4/9 ; 4/9 and not 4/11 ; 4/11 ; 4/11 ; 4/9 as it is today but I agree with you if I uncheck "Show...." 4/9 ; 4/9 ; 4/9 ; 4/9 should became 4/5 ; 4/5 ; 4/5 ; 4/9 ....but you can see it is not the case! I know my post is a bit complicated I should have shared it in several parts but I thought the different parts could have a common link. Daniel

Several strange new problems with slide duration (v7.0 _ PC-CPU T5200 /XP ) Problem n°1 bug? I open a new project n°1. The 2 options Show and Keep full slide duration are selected I drag and drop 4 slides on the Timeline The indications of duration are as it follows (by default) : 2/7 ; 2/7 ; 2/7 ; 2/7 (a/b a = effect duration, b = slide duration) I decide to modify durations inside the project options (4/9 set for existing slides), it comes 4/11 ; 4/11 ; 4/11 ; 4/9 should have been : 4/9 ; 4/9 ; 4/9; 4/9 It seems there is a memory effect. Where is the bug? NB : I made several tests, and sometimes to times the durations by default are either 2/5 either 2/7 (more likely) Problem n°2 ( inconsistency rather than a bug) New project n°2. The 2 options Show and Keep full slide duration are selected I specify durations 4/9 inside project options / main. I unchecked "Show slide duration" If , I need to check the duration of one slide I will get - project options / main => slide duration = 9s - customize slide / main => slide duration = 5s this situation is very tricky for beginners : under the same wordings there are two different values ! Problem n°3 New project n°3. The 2 options Show and Keep full slide duration are selected I specify durations 4/9 inside project options / main. I drag and drop 4 slides on the Timeline The indications of duration are as it follows (by default) : 4/9 ; 4/9 ; 4/9 ; 4/9 (a/b a = effect duration, b = slide duration) I decide to modify duration parameters for n°2 (6/15) and n°4 (2/9) then it comes 4/11 ; 6/15 ; 4/7 ; 2/9 (Show full slide duration selected) or 4/5 ; 6/11 ; 4/5 ; 2/9 (Show full slide duration unchecked) Applying the new method we should have got 4/9 ; 6/15 ; 4/9 ; 2/9 (Show full slide duration selected) 4/3 ; 6/11 ; 4/7 ; 2/9 (Show full slide duration unchecked) Why such discrepancy, is there some logical explanation? Once again it seems that there is a memory effect, but...? Problem n°4 New project n°3. The 2 options Show and Keep full slide duration are selected I specify durations 4/9 inside project options / main. I drag and drop 4 slides on the Timeline The indications of duration are as it follows (by default) : 4/9 ; 4/9 ; 4/9 ; 4/9 (a/b a = effect duration, b = slide duration) I decide to modify duration parameters for n°2 (6/15) and n°4 (2/9) then it comes 4/11 ; 6/15 ; 4/7 ; 2/9 (Show full slide duration selected) or 4/5 ; 6/11 ; 4/5 ; 2/9 (Show full slide duration unchecked) then I moved the slide n°2 in third position then it comes : 4/11 ; 4/10 ; 6/15 ; 2/9 (Show full slide duration selected) 4/7 ; 4/4 ; 6/13 ; 2/9 (Show full slide duration unchecked) It seems very strange, how to explain this result ??? Applying the new method we should have got 4/9 ; 4/9 ; 6/15 ; 2/9 (Show full slide duration selected) 4/5 ; 4/3 ; 6/13 ; 2/9 (Show full slide duration unchecked) Daniel

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Xaver I think that Aginum proposal is linked with the slide duration problem we discussed before on this thread. Aginum Yes, Aginum exactly what I suggested in my previous post if both options are maintained for slide duration. I would agree with this proposal if the "Slide duration for next slide" mention could be changed depending on the option selected because with one of the option it is "slide duration" and with the other it is "Total slide duration including next effect duration" Personnaly I would prefer to simplify all of this (see my last previous poston the subject) which remains, confusing, misleading, and tricky for a "standard" PTE user. As it is to day, the fact that (when "Show total slide duration" is selected) PTE automaticaly changes the slide duration without notice to the user when the slide duration is less than the sum of previous and next effect duration is a serious drawback not really a bug. Best regards Daniel

Problem of slide duration I think to solve this issue (see my previous post) and avoid misleading PTE users it will be simpler to say, once for all, that the duration of video clips must be specified in the O&A editor and this duration is always equal to video clip duration specified + duration of the effect with next slide and to leave only one option for the duration of slides either based on the old method (total slide duration = specified slide duration + next effect duration) either based on the new method (slide duration = specified slide duration - next effect duration) . Leaving the both possibilities as it is to day will be confusing and misleading, we already had several questions on this subject. In case of the "Show total duration" option will be maintained it should be moved in Project options/Main tab and the wordings "Slide duration for new slide" should be modified in line with the selected option. Best regards Daniel

Another problem and suggestion with slide duration : 1)new problem It is not possible to type directly the slide duration value (v7.0 b17), see image attached 2)suggestion re-edited see next post Daniel

Igor , please find new tests achieved with v17, the results are the same on my side please see the explanations on the image here attached. You will see that the slide duration indicated on project3step2 and project4step1 are totally different although the options checked on PTE are the same ( The same conclusion for the comparison between project3step1 and project4step2). This situation is very confusing, as the indication are depending on the initial conditions of the project. Best regards, Daniel. , * *, * * those images have been re-edited

Thanks Igor for your atention, I try to answer inside your post. I will install v17 this afternoon and will check again after. Yes Igor I knew that. That is new for me, I thought these two options where independent, first one giving the indication of duration, the second one was in relation with the position of the slide on the time line, moving the slide in position will keep its duration. If the both conditions are linked it will be better if, unchecking one of them, the other should be automaticaly unchecked. Yes Igor I knew that was the reason why I've mentionned it was OK for fig1 and fig2 on my previous post. The problem is that for two different projects (project 1 and project 2 as mentionned in my previous post, I've closed PTE between the two projects), the indications of slide duration or total side duration are different (for the same options selected at final step) and it seems that the calculation method is different depending on the initial condition of the option "Show full slide duration" I understand your point but I cant explain why we found different results, I will check again on my side after b17 installation and come back. Best regards Daniel

Problem with slide duration. (v7.0 beta15) Nobeefstu, thanks for your message, it seems that my previous post was not clear enough so I try with an explanation in a different way.... Project 1 1) "Show full slide duration" not selected 2) inside Project Options I set slide duration = 9s and effects duration = 4s for all slides . 3) indication of duration on the thumbnails on the timeline are correct, in line with specified duration see fig 1 4) I change the option and "Show full slide duration" is not selected 5) the total duration of slide indicated on the thumbnails on the timeline are correct, total duration (9+4 =13s) see fig 2 Projet 2 1) "Show full slide duration" is selected 2) again, inside Project Options I set slide duration = 9s and effects duration = 4s for all slides . 3) indications given by thumbnails arre different the total duration is now 9s and not 13s as for project 1 (see fig 3). Why such a difference with the same options selected? 4) and, if I change the option with "Show full slide duration" not selected 5) then the indication for the slide duration becomes 9-4= 5s although it was 9s with the same options selected in Project 1 Why? (see fig 4) Same process as for Project 2, if the slide duration set inside Project Options is lower than 2x the effect duration selected, the slide duration are automaticaly modified by PTE without notice to the user, an error message should be welcome in this case. See fig 5 et 6. So why, such a different methods of calculation and why different indications with the same options selected at the end??? That is very tricky for PTE users I hope that my explanations are clearer this times. Best regards Daniel , , , , ,

Problem with slide duration indication. (v7.0 beta15) It seems that 2 different methods are used for the total duration calculation depending on how the advanced options of the view menu has been initialised. - If I begins to set the project options (slide and effect duration) with "Show full slide duration" unchecked at first, then selecting this option, in this case it comes : total slide duration = slide duration + effect duration (see fig 1 and 2) slide duration =9s effect duration =4s it comes total duration =13s that sounds correct. - If I begins to set the project options (slide and effect duration) with "Show full slide duration" checked at first, in this case it comes : total slide duration = slide duration - effect duration (see fig 3 and 4) and with the same conditions if the duration for the slide is less than twice the times of the effects, the slide duration is modified (see fig 5 and 6)....that sounds very strange and tricky Daniel , , , ,

Hello Igor, some comments about the last version of PTE user v7.0 : Page 8 http://www.wnsoft.com/soft/MultiResize.exe (the link does not work) error 404 Page 10 How can I fade music in the end of each track? PicturesToExe doesn’t have audio editing abilities. You can make fade effects with any audio editor and then add this track to a slide show. .....That is no longer true!

Igor I confirm that beta 15 solves the problem with this type of flv video clip, thanks Daniel.

Thanks Ken, but translator machine, even if they are working better and better are not always very accurate! Sorry to say that the Google version is not very convenient, it would better to delete it : the word "diaporama" should not be translated otherwise all the text becomes ununderstandable. That is the reason why, even if google translator have made 80% of the work, I would prefer if some english people could help and have a deep look on it.....Thanks in advance. Daniel. ========================================================================================================================================================================== Definition of "diaporama" (Laure Gigou text): It is in the 50's that the term became popular slide with the advent of Kodachrome film for 24 x 36. But it had appeared in 1892. It is built from the Greek prefix "dia" ("through") and "positive", the opposite of a photographic negative film. We had to watch the slide using a viewer or a projector on a screen. The term was taken to mean an image included in a "slide show" at first, film photography then digital. Competitions of "diaporama" shows including background music at festivals date from the late 1950s. They were used to define a paraphrase: "slideshow with sound." The idea of combining slides and sound spreads rapidly and, in 1957, the photo-club of Vésinet, organizes a first contest of slideshows with sound whose awards also causes the first public challenge of the jury's decisions! In 1958, Claude Madier, president of the photo-club de Vichy is building a major international event : the Festival of Vichy. This event is a real success and renewed almost every year for three decades. Then the word "diaporama" was invented by Claude Madier in 1959 in the presence of Mr. Bourigeaud, president of the National Federation of photographic societies of France, Lucien Lorelle and a few others. It is a term that was introduced in 1965 in the Larousse dictionary. It has two elements : "diapo" "diapositive," positive image on transparent media, visible on a projection screen and "rama" the Greek "orama" that is what you see : the show. A diaporama (slide show) consists of three elements: - The image - Sound - And the transition between the images (at the beginning: the fade). These three elements are constructed in relation to each other to form an inseparable unit with software that links the images with the soundtrack and creates transitions or animations, zoom, pan, 2D or 3D effects, overlays of video sequences . They synthesize the expression of thought of the author and allow him to do creative work. In the diaporama, the director gives us a thread and delivers a message . This thread is of paramount importance! The diaporama should tell a story. It presents a logical slides and dramatic staging. The following images can not be changed without destroying the message. Everything comes from a simple idea. However, if a film shows, a diaporama suggests. "The diaporama is primarily audio visual. We show a sequence of still images at the same time we play a soundtrack. Depending on what the author wants to express, this soundtrack can include voice, music and sounds." Jacques Muller, Jean-Paul Petit and Daniel Revaud, Le Diaporama un loisir, un art, une passion, Paris, Chasseur d'images, Senillé: Jabena edition, 1993, p. 450, "Unlike a movie, which mimics the movement and allows the camera to be itself in motion with respect to the subject, a diaporama, uses photography, the snapshot, the time fixed. This forces the author to provide a real effort of selection and construction to stimulate the viewer's imagination and hold it on a kind of delicate balance, between dream and reality. " , Jean-Paul PETIT, Créez vos diaporamas photo, Micro application p. 84 March 2004., The term diaporama is now tarnished. Hijacked by computer industry, it applies to any projection of images in the areas of professional presentations, conferences, or training without necessarily subjugate these images to a soundtrack and not necessarily provide an audiovisual show. --- But the projected images on a white background have been around a long time. In ancient times, the principle of "camera obscura" dark chamber for projecting an image on a flat surface, was described by Aristotle (fourth century BC.). She appeared in China in the second century BC. The magic lantern was known in Egypt under the Pharaohs and Italy in Roman times. Of course, Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) draws a projection lantern. Descartes improved the camera obscura in 1634 and equipped with a lens that allowed the development of the image. In 1646: Athanasius Kircher built a magic lantern. Throughout the eighteenth century technology will evolve. At the end of the eighteenth century, Father Robert Robertson devised called the fantascope, a device with two lenses, autofocus by...., allowing fade. Phantasmagoria, etymologically "the art of public speaking ghosts," is to project and animate on screen canvas or smoke, miniature paintings painted on glass plates or engraved on a medium opaque. This form of entertainment is a huge success at the turn of the Enlightenment and appears in the literature. Goethe in Faust shows heroes of Troy and monsters of mythology, trying to eat, before disappearing, some frightened students with a magic lantern. Balzac, who discovered the magic lantern in wonder at his grandmother Sallambier about 1805, speaks in "A double family". Marcel Proust also evokes the magic lantern in the opening pages of "From Swann's Way. "