Hello Lin, thanks for explaining that to me, I'm a bit of a numpty really, PSE5 is stretching my abilities at the moment! I got into quite a tizz when I was downloading the whole Snow Globe file sets, and lost track of the number of tabs I had open! What has confused me most is that Panos told me that I would need to create a new thumb, since the one in your file would not work with PSE5. He pointed me at a posting in "Elements Village" by Diana which has a "Blank thumb" file that I was supposed to somehow modify. Opening both yours and Diana's files I found that your thumb was just a single locked layer, whilst Diana's was 8 layers, four coloured ones alternated with four text ones. Totally confused, I ignored Diana's thumb file, and used yours. On re-starting PSE5, the result was two entries in the special effects pallette, one showing your thumb icon, which when dragged onto my photo did nothing, the other was blank, just an empty box! but dragging it onto the photo, it did the business!! Evidently, I seem to have achieved my objective, but I've no idea how Can you tell me if I need to do something with my installation to get rid of one or other of the entries in the pallette? Regarding the cost/value of Picturestoexe, I quite agree, (though I can't recall the amount) it is an excellent piece of software and once I've become a bit more confident/proficient, I'm sure I'll find a way to buy it! Thanks again for your fantastic programme.