Short time music file

[snapcam]

I ask this on behalf of a collegue as I have never had the experiance.

A music file was downloaded into Audition as MP3 and edited.

The saved MP3 file was saved and brought into PTE via add music. The file

is 2mins 48secs long.

When it is played showing the wave form it cuts of at 2mins 48secs but the waveform goes on another 10secs.

Played without the waveform showing it plays out to 2mins 58secs.

Strange or what, Any advice.

[Barry Beckham]

Snapcam

Are you sure that it is the waveform/music that continues.

Check the last slide in your sequence.

Highlight the image and look into Customized Slide > Main Tab. I suspect that the box labelled Timing > Display slide for (sec.) is set higher than the slide is actually needed on screen. Look at the timeline, see how long the last slide is actually on screen and change the seconds in this box to reflect that actual time. I think your show will now end at 2:48

What happens is the music ends but the software believes we want that last slide to continue. I use the Cut Transition option quite a lot when I make a slide show, which causes this and in extremes that last slide has often shown a time on screen in my shows of 300-700 seconds, which is clearly wrong. I almost always have to adjust that Customized Slide > Main Tab to get the show to end as I would like.

[fh1805]

Barry/Snapcam,

From the Timeline display try:

Timed Points (button)...Set End of Last Slide at End of Music

It saves doing the mental maths.

regards,

Peter

[snapcam]

Thanks for the prompt replies I had suggested checking the last slide ending and was told that was not the problem.

I will go back and get a moree accurate discription of the problem.

[Barry Beckham]

Well, I was going to add, although thought better of it, that I find it better for the last slide to end a few seconds after the music ends.I feel that if not, the end of the show, the fade down and then a flash back to wherever the show was launched from is often a bit too abrupt. A fade down to black and a 3 second pause on that blank before the show exits is just right in my view

I appreciate that this is a very small point, but small points tend to add up and attention to detail is vital in AV

However, you can use the set end of the last slide to end of music and just drag the green marker line a little to the right.

[snapcam]

Update on problem. My discription is not quite accurate.

When played with the waveform showing The waveform stops at 2min, 48secs. but the actual music continues to 2mins 58secs,

[fh1805]

Barry,

I agree entirely on the need to have a short period of silence at the end of a sequence - to let the audience digest what they have just (hopefully) enjoyed. I was simply pointing out that there is a feature in PTE that allows precise synchronisation of the end of the last slide with the end of the soundtrack. When required, I add a few seconds of silence to the end of a piece of music using Audacity -and then synch the last slide using the PTE feature.

regards,

Peter

[snapcam]

I think we are getting hung up on a different subject. The person asking the question is experianced in A.V. production and is aware of the silence at the end of a sequence but trhis is not the cuse of the problem.

[Barry Beckham]

I have made hundreds of AV's and what we have described is generally the cause and the screen grab explains what I was talking about. and it could easily go on for another 10 seconds or much longer, but to move on perhaps a bit more detail is required.

When it is played showing the wave form it cuts of at 2mins 48secs but the waveform goes on another 10secs.

Is the waveform a straight line, indicating 10 seconds of silence and does the final image fade out to 2:48

Played without the waveform showing it plays out to 2mins 58secs.

I can't get my head around why these two ways to view is going to change anything and I still keep coming back to my original thoughts. However, I once made some music samples via Audacity and when I compressed them for web use, some odd things happened with the length of the music. I just switched to Adobe Audition and never really got involved in searching for a solution, but its the only thing I can think of to look at.

Failing that post a backup in zip here so we can find the solution for your friend.

[snapcam]

Barry,

I am awaiting the results of your latest suggestions but the one thing That is reported is that having looked at your screen grab it appears that MUSIC END is missing??

Also to clarify, Waveform ends at 2m 48 secs which is correct as recorded but the actual sound continues for another 10 secs.

Snapcam

[snapcam]

Hello Again

I have attached the music file in question.

When I tried it on PTE the wave form finishes at 2mins 48secs. but the music plays out to 2mins 58secs.

In options it shows music length at 3mins 02secs.

Also Barry it does not show end of music as in your screen shot.

Snapcam

[Barry Beckham]

I think the experienced person asking the question may not be quite so experenced as they believe and the problem is fairly obvious.

The music posted does not run for 2:48 as it has a period of silence at the end of it, so in fact the music was playing longer than 2:48, although what it was playing was silence from 2:48 onwards. See screen grab taken from the end of the music file using Audacity.

Try this edited piece which runs 2:48 exactly

[nobeefstu]

When I tried it on PTE the wave form finishes at 2mins 48secs. but the music plays out to 2mins 58secs.

In options it shows music length at 3mins 02secs.

When music is streamed/downloaded from music vendor internet sites ... these suppliers usually compress and encode the music for better internet streaming and smaller file size. This particular music appears have a Average Bitrate of 60 bps and encoded with Xing in a Variable Bitrate.

Its best to always convert-again any streamed/downloaded internet music in something like Audacity using the lame encoder so the file uses a Constant Bitrate. If you just simply convert your current file ... you will see PTE can now correctly read the time duration value of 2:54 instead of the previous 3:02.

So if you dont know what compression and encoding these internet music sites are sending your music file ... always just convert-again to save yourself any possible playback issues.

See attachments for Tag comparision of 'your tag' and 'Barry's tag' :

[Guest Yachtsman1]

Hello Again

I have attached the music file in question.

When I tried it on PTE the wave form finishes at 2mins 48secs. but the music plays out to 2mins 58secs.

In options it shows music length at 3mins 02secs.

Also Barry it does not show end of music as in your screen shot.

Snapcam

Snapcam now you have received advice from the forum, I would remove your MP3 download link as you are in breach of copyright

Yachtsman1

[snapcam]

Barry,

I think the problem has been resolved. The music was a MP3 download from Amason which must have been corrupted in some way.

My friend is happy that it now works with different sound track.

I am posting grabs of the track in PTE. It may be of help to others.

In the first the waveform stops at 2m48s but the music plays on to 2m58s. making slide placement impossible.

In the second without the waveform the indicator stops moving at 2m48s but the music plays on to 2.58s

Thanks for your help.

Incidently the experienced worker is a past winner of the RPS International AV Festival but is still on a learning curve with PTE.

Snapcam

[snapcam]

When music is streamed/downloaded from music vendor internet sites ... these suppliers usually compress and encode the music for better internet streaming and smaller file size. This particular music appears have a Average Bitrate of 60 bps and encoded with Xing in a Variable Bitrate.

Its best to always convert-again any streamed/downloaded internet music in something like Audacity using the lame encoder so the file uses a Constant Bitrate. If you just simply convert your current file ... you will see PTE can now correctly read the time duration value of 2:54 instead of the previous 3:02.

So if you dont know what compression and encoding these internet music sites are sending your music file ... always just convert-again to save yourself any possible playback issues.

See attachments for Tag comparision of 'your tag' and 'Barry's tag' :

Sorry I missed your post but I think you have answered the problem as I have just reported that it appears the downloaded file was corrupted. I will forward your explaination to the concerned party.

Thanks

Snapcam

[snapcam]

When music is streamed/downloaded from music vendor internet sites ... these suppliers usually compress and encode the music for better internet streaming and smaller file size. This particular music appears have a Average Bitrate of 60 bps and encoded with Xing in a Variable Bitrate.

Its best to always convert-again any streamed/downloaded internet music in something like Audacity using the lame encoder so the file uses a Constant Bitrate. If you just simply convert your current file ... you will see PTE can now correctly read the time duration value of 2:54 instead of the previous 3:02.

So if you dont know what compression and encoding these internet music sites are sending your music file ... always just convert-again to save yourself any possible playback issues.

See attachments for Tag comparision of 'your tag' and 'Barry's tag' :

Further update.

The file as been converted as per your suggestion and it is reported to be working correctly.

My collegue sends their hearty thanks.

Snapcam