Guest Yachtsman1 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 I am building my first 16-9 show in 7.0.4. I added some animation to a particular slide & found shimmering in the area of the small windows right of centre of the shot. I am also running in parallel, the same show in 6.0.4. I checked the same shot & the shimmering was present, I ticked the mipmapping box & the shimmering almost completely disappeared. This leads me to believe that by automaticall adding mipmapping in 7.0.4 is not as affective as ticking the mipmapping box in 6.0.4??? I have added the picture at the size I used in both versions.Yachtsman1 Quote
Barry Beckham Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 EricI applied a pan and zoom to the image you posted and struggled to create the same issue you describe. You can still smooth out those Moire wrinkles with the sharper/smoother option which took the place of the mipmapping from earlier versions. However, there are some other options:1. The image you posted is twice the size of the 16:9 HD format. This is quite a lot, unless you intend a long animation. You could dial back your intentions a little, make the image a little bit smaller and you may find the moire effect will disappear.2. If you previewing a 16:9 show on a monitor less than 1920*1080 or perhaps you are just looking at the animation in the Objects and Animation screen set at 75% or less. Then you are compressing your image even more and you are more likely to see the moire effect in these circumstances. View the show on a full size 16:9 HD screen and you may not see them.3. If you do get a little moire in an isolated spot, take the image into Photoshop/Elements and look for the smudge tool. Used at a low setting I find the offending area can be softened to the degree that you cannot see it (too small), but its enough to kill any Moire effect. In fact I think its the only use I have ever used that tool for. It saves having to soften an entire image just for a very small spot. Quote
Lin Evans Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Hi Erik,I get no shimmer with PTE 7.x regardless of where I set sharpness. Are you on an LCD monitor? Best regards,Lin Quote
Guest Yachtsman1 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Hi Barry & LinB. I set the size of the slide at 3812x2144 as I wanted to zoom out on the tower from 174 to 107. Yes I am using my 5-4 19inch monitor, but I used the preview and the main screen & got the same effect. Don't have a 16-9 monitor to try, yet! I will try it on my 16-9 TV tomorrow (nearly bed time). Elements 10 doesn't appear to have a smudge tool, however it does have "smoothing" which sounds similar? L. Yes it's an LCD monitor, see above. Off to bed now Regards EricYachtsman1 Quote
fh1805 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Eric,Smudge tool is part of the "Blur" tool - just right click that tool to see the others.Peter Quote
Barry Beckham Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 EricOne way you can test your show to see if there will be any issues on a monitor that does run 1920*1080 is to view your animation in the Objects and Animation screen, with the size set to 100%. You won't be able to see the entire screen in total, but it may be enough to track down trouble spots.Just one thought though. A few years ago dealing with the Moire effect was something I always included on my tutorials for PTE. Last time I went to do the same with PTE 7 I had a devil of a job to create the Moire effect. I don't know what Igor has done in the engine room of PTE, but whatever is was its darn good. PTE is now miles better on that score than it used to be. Quote
Guest Yachtsman1 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 Eric,Smudge tool is part of the "Blur" tool - just right click that tool to see the others.PeterHi PeterThat's most odd, I did a search in Elements Help & went through the tools before making the statement. "Help" didn't find it, maybe it's because I called it a "Tool" when it's actually a "Filter" . Thanks for the heads up. Just have to learn how to use it. I will leave it as it is now, until I've checked it on my TV & evenually my widescreen monitor, (Yes Ken") I've finally grasped the metal & ordered a 24inch which is the maximum my work station will take. The speakers will have to be re-located to get it in.Regards EricYachtsman1Later, sorry my brain's a littled "blurred" this morning put up the wrong tool. Quote
Guest Yachtsman1 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 EricOne way you can test your show to see if there will be any issues on a monitor that does run 1920*1080 is to view your animation in the Objects and Animation screen, with the size set to 100%. You won't be able to see the entire screen in total, but it may be enough to track down trouble spots.Just one thought though. A few years ago dealing with the Moire effect was something I always included on my tutorials for PTE. Last time I went to do the same with PTE 7 I had a devil of a job to create the Moire effect. I don't know what Igor has done in the engine room of PTE, but whatever is was its darn good. PTE is now miles better on that score than it used to be.Hi BarryHMMMMMMMMMMM Tried that & the moire (shimmering) disappeared. Thank you. Onward & upward.Regards EricYachtsman1. Quote
Guest Yachtsman1 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 I've now uploaded a section of the show to mediafire. I tried the exe on my TV & the moire is still present, even more pronounced than on the PC or LT. The link to the trial show ishttp://www.mediafire.com/?45vdt257p02vfr4It's 9.5MB, 3 minutes run time, no music, the slide in question is the long zoom into the abbey, I can also now see signs of moire in the undercroft shots. There is a lot of brick & stonework in these shots which has always been a pain to eliminate.Yachtsman1. Quote
Guest Yachtsman1 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 While exploring the tools in Elements 10, I finally found where the "smudge tool" was hidden, see SS. So it is a tool & a filter, just have to find how & why to use it.Yachtsman1. Quote
Ken Cox Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 ERIC put show to 37" panasonic via hdmi -- no shimmer and filled the screensame results with my ws asus monitorgreat detailken Quote
Barry Beckham Posted February 19, 2012 Report Posted February 19, 2012 EricThe tool is like finger painting, to if there is a little contrast or an edge that causes the moire effect, you can smudge just that tiny part with a small brush and kill the moire. The bit you smear is so small its not seen on the main image. I used to use it a lot in the early days of animation, but as I said yesterday, the moire seems to be very rare these days Quote
fh1805 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Posted February 20, 2012 I don't see any Moire anywhere.Peter Quote
Barry Beckham Posted February 20, 2012 Report Posted February 20, 2012 PeterNor did I or Lin. I think Eric viewed his animation on a smaller monitor and that is where he saw the moire. Quote
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