Dropping levels [SOLVED]

[snapcam]

I am using version 9.0.22

I am recording voice over to a sequence using the record facility.

On playback when the track gets to a voice recorded section the music on the other track drops to a lower level

The level of change is not noticeable through the headphones only on normal playback.

I have never noticed this before. Have I inadvertently set something that I am unaware of?

 

Snapcam

[Igor]

Hi,

Do you mean that sound volume of music on another track becomes lower (quieter) ?

Normally it should not happen, if you didn't change manually audio clip with music (using envelope tool, or sound volume control).

 

[snapcam]

Hello Igor

Sorry for the late reply but I couldn't find the post.

That is correct. I record the voice in PTE on a separate track and when the music track gets to it the music level lowers.

It is the same as what someone would do deliberately using envelope tool to allow a voice to be heard.

I have gone back and looked at other sequences and found the same thing. Never noticed it before as the drop is not dramatic.

Raymond

[Igor]

Raymond,

Send me a test project (simple as possible) to show this problem. All project files in a ZIP. 

[snapcam]

Hello Igor

I have sent a few slides and sound track I think it illustrates what I'm talking about.

Off to Spain for the next week

Raymond

test.zip

[Igor]

Raymond,

Please use Create backup in a ZIP command in the main menu > File. It will include all images and audio files.

Llarge ZIP file can be sent via https://send.firefox.com service.

[snapcam]

https://send.firefox.com/download/f2e5432d92a95599/#Je4yZIcAAbXjf6s65jGqgA

Sorry Igor, I realised after I sent the file it was wrong.

I hope this link works.

Raymond

[Igor]

Raymond, 

Can you re-upload the file again? It seems that link is expired. By default links expires after 1st download. You can register on Send Firefox to create links which can be downloaded multiple times.

[snapcam]

https://send.firefox.com/download/e0d8eb6ee749150a/#wYMyFEn8ERKnBXpn7quxfw

Igor my apologies for not following up on this post regarding dropping sound levels. i.e. music dips when voice over appears.

I have had trouble getting the test file to you but I hope that is now solved.

Again my apologies

[Igor]

Sorry, the link is expired. Please upload the file again and send me a link by a personal message.

[Igor]

Thanks for the project files.

On my opinion background music keeps same sound volume during all playback, and during voice comments.

Two observations:

1. Sound volume of background music on 1st track is set to 67%. See the orange line with enabled Envelope Tool.

2. Sound volume of voice comments is too high - 200%. See the orange line in Envelope Tool. It may distort quality of sound, because sound peaks of voice comments frequently rich 80-95% of maximum sound volume. So setting 200% sound volume you cut some high parts of your voice comments.

[snapcam]

Hello Igor,

The volume levels you mention are not what I would use. It may be I had not set them before sending the test file.

In the sequence the track 1 volume would be about 30/35 % and track two voice at 100%.

If you concentrate on the music level and try to ignore the voice when the play  reaches the track two voice clip the music reduces in level. Not to a drastic level but it lowers.

 

 

 

[Igor]

If you remove both voice comments, will this problem exist with main music track?

[snapcam]

No, the music will play normally.

If you leave one comment in place say mid way along and pause after the comment then move the comment out of the way and then play from the pause play there is a distinct rise in volume 

[jt49]

Can it be a misperception?

[jkb]

I use PTE for all my sound mixing and I have never noticed any unintentional change in volume.

Jill

[denisb]

Could it be a loudness equalisation ?

Sorry, it's in french

Denis

[Igor]

13 hours ago, snapcam said:

No, the music will play normally.

If you leave one comment in place say mid way along and pause after the comment then move the comment out of the way and then play from the pause play there is a distinct rise in volume 

Hi,

Can you upload your project for other members to check for this problem?

You can use any service except of Send Firefox, because it allows only 1 download.

[snapcam]

https://send.firefox.com/download/93a96dec07e0c511/#OtEp0fnpzI-o7DJjz7k-Cw

hello 

jt49 What do you mean misperception?

denisb . sorry cant find this on my pc

Hi, Jill  Raymond

The above link will give you  the test file to try 

[Igor]

I uploaded your file to our server, because Send Firefox allows only 1 download.

https://files.wnsoft.com/test/tmp/Sound-Test-Oct15-2019-10-46-16.zip

[snapcam]

Thanks Igor I just read your reminder of one down load.

[denisb]

Hi,

verify that Loudness equalization is not ticked . Look at the link

If it is on,  just do the inverse of   https://pureinfotech.com/normalize-sound-volume-windows-10/

Denis

[jt49]

3 hours ago, snapcam said:

...  jt49 What do you mean misperception?   ....

Here is the German expression: Sinnestäuschung

What I mean: You hear music at a low level, but you may not perceive it to be that low. Now you combine it with some other audio being at a much higher level. You will now perceive the music at a lower level, drowned by the additional audio. If you then switch off the additional audio your music may sound louder again ? ? ?

[snapcam]

Denis: Tried that but there is no Enhancements tag on my  speaker properties.

jt49: I thought that's what you meant.

Have you downloaded the test file and tried it.

Snapcam 

[snapcam]

Hello All 

I have just retrieved my laptop from the repair shop where it was updated to windows 10.

I have also watched the technician struggle to sort out the windows sound drivers, so little chance for me.

I mentioned Denis's enhancement tab was missing from my desktop properties and he tells me it depends on which driver or even windows update is there.

I ran my test file on the laptop and the problem does not seem to be there so I have come to the conclusion that something in my windows is causing the volume drop. So my thanks to those trying to help and I'm sorry for what appears to have been a waste of your time.

Thank you all