lathompson Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Hi everyone. I have a Vista Home Premium machine and an XP Home machine. Both computers have 1 gig RAM and are pretty new fast machines. I need to get a video card for both and want to get something ideal for P2EXE since I have to buy something. I'll probably use it on the XP machine as I HATE Vista with a passion. I use version 5.0.The cards have to have an SVHS video out jack. Are there any suggestions? I am budget conscious but would like a good card too. I don't play games. I only do video shows and edit a lot of large image files in CS2 for my photography business. I'm open for suggestions.larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Cox Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Larryi have ATI - "all in wonder 2006 edition" - that is how it is labelled Is a 9600 with 256 ram has svhs in and out jack + regular audio video input rca jacksrunning on xp home - 2.8 ghz intel use it quite frequently with no problemsi would look for the 512 all in wonder for the extra ramwhen doing graphics it seems that it is all about ram -- the more the betteryou have to remember that ati drivers are not the best at timesand that some members have had trouble with them -- do a search for the details --Igor has tried to get ATI to update the drivers for xp on some boards to no availi think it is the ms mutimedia desktop that causes probs -- I think Fred Dickinson --Techman1 has problem - maybe drop him a line and he will fill you in with details i have never been able to install the latest drivers - so i use the drivers that came on disk -- maybe if the latest drivers were installed first -- but now we getting into a real tech problem if it dont work:)ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lathompson Posted August 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Larryi have ATI - "all in wonder 2006 edition" - that is how it is labelled Is a 9600 with 256 ram has svhs in and out jack + regular audio video input rca jacksrunning on xp home - 2.8 ghz intel use it quite frequently with no problemsi would look for the 512 all in wonder for the extra ramwhen doing graphics it seems that it is all about ram -- the more the betteryou have to remember that ati drivers are not the best at timesand that some members have had trouble with them -- do a search for the details --Igor has tried to get ATI to update the drivers for xp on some boards to no availi think it is the ms mutimedia desktop that causes probs -- I think Fred Dickinson --Techman1 has problem - maybe drop him a line and he will fill you in with details i have never been able to install the latest drivers - so i use the drivers that came on disk -- maybe if the latest drivers were installed first -- but now we getting into a real tech problem if it dont work:)kenThanks for the suggestion Ken. I've used the ATI boards on past PCs and had relatively good luck. One machine needs a uninstall/reboot occasionally, in order to restore the video out function, but mostly no problems. I did read in several threads here about P2E problems with ATI boards so that prompted the inquiry. I'l PM Fred and see what his experience is. I did a search for video board suggestions in this forum but came up empty. Do you recall if Fred was the only person with an ATI board with problems? As far as using MS multimedia desktop, I don't use it and actually don't know what it's about. I keep my OS as bare bones as possible, knocking down on features where I can.By the way, since you mentioned trouble with loading new drivers, I had many problems with my updates too until I read the instructions for updates. You have to totally uninstall the current ATI drivers and go back to basic video drivers. Then I had to load in a sequence in order to update. That worked. At the time, 4 years ago (ice age?) it was the ATI All In Wonder and there was a "package" of features. They had to load in a certain order. Today, I don't know if you can simply load the video drivers alone. Maybe you already know this... I thought I might give up what I know. It might help. Updating drivers is pretty important these days. Things change often.Thanks again!larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Cox Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 You have to totally uninstall the current ATI drivers and go back to basic video drivers.-- been there done that there other people that have had problems with ati cards -- later in day i will search farther for you if you cant find - do a search in the video sectionken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobeefstu Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Larry,I have a Vista Home Premium machine and an XP Home machine. Both computers have 1 gig RAM and are pretty new fast machines.Most of us are budget conscious ... how pretty new your pc is will be likely determined by your video card slot. AGP Slot cards are higher priced than most of the PCI-E counter parts. I have a pretty new girlfriend too ... but that doesnt tell me her age )When searching for your new card selection ... make sure your PC- PSU (power supply) is more than adequate to power it. Everything eats up power .... even an additional stick of memory.I would suggest a DX-10 capable card for the Vista ... XP tops out with DX-9 ( I think this is also part of MS design to lure XP users over to Vista thru time.)Im only aware of ATI having issues with users who use screen calibration progams. This has been on XP/ATI units and not Vista/ATIKen,You have to totally uninstall the current ATI drivers and go back to basic video drivers.-- been there done thatHave you tried uninstall/reinstall in Safe Mode ? Also try removing the Driver Backups XP might keep of the ATI card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Techman1 Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Larry,I sent you a PM. Regarding the ATI cards, as NoBeefStu indicated the problem is only with calibration profiles being used and ATI ignores these when used with PTE. Otherwise, everything works fine but the colors may be off a little when you are viewing slideshows on Windows XP systems with ATI cards.Regards,Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogaertb Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Well, I'm not on Vista yet but still on XP (and probably will stay a bit longer with it I think) and have a similar question. I probably know the answer but nevertheless I would like to solicite comments from other forum members.My PC is getting a bit older (dates from end 2001) but has had some extensions over time so now it looks like this (I can add the complete HW conf if needed):1.8 P4512 MB of memoryVideo Card: Nvidia Corp GeForce3 Ti 200 with 64MB3 HD:a 200GB maxtor 80GB maxtor 80GB (Seagate I think)[*]DVD RW driveI was wondering whether it is worth to spend money on a new video card since PTE 5 is using this now when rendering so if an upgrade in Video card would speed up work it would be nice (while ease of work would also be better if 2 monitiors could be used). Of course, the CPU should also be capable of following: I guess it makes no sense to increase the performance of the Video card if the additional power can't be used because the CPU is not able to follow.Has someone had similar experiences (before going to the other end: a new PC...)Thanks in advance,Bart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alrobin Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Bart,I would say that it is worth upgrading the video card, especially if you are happy with the performance of your present system on other applications. You should even be able to find a second-hand video card with at least 128 or 256 Mb of VRAM that would be compatible with your system. Make sure you determine first whether your present card uses PCI or AGP control. I suspect it's "AGP".The only other upgrade that might be worthwhile would be to add another 512 Mb of system RAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogaertb Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Thanks Al,I'll take the suggestion of the system RAM, I can go up to 1G without spending too much (I only have 2 banks and going to 2G is a rather costly step up...).Is it possible to quantify what a change in Graphics card will bring? The card indeed uses AGP as reported by PC wizard: > AGP Bus : Yes >> Bus Information Number of AGP connectors : 1 >> AGP Bus Device : 82845/E/MP/MZ Brookdale CPU to I/O Bridge Version : 2.0 AGP enabled : Yes Mode AGP3 : No 4GB : No FW Transfer : Yes - Disabled SideBand : Yes - Disabled Command Queue : 1 (max. 32) Transfert Rate supported : 4x Transfert Rate : 4x >> AGP Bus Device : GeForce3 Ti 200 [NV20.1] Version : 2.0 AGP enabled : Yes Mode AGP3 : No 4GB : No FW Transfer : No SideBand : No Command Queue : 32 (max. 32) Transfert Rate supported : 4x Transfert Rate : 4x >> Bus Information Device : GeForce3 Ti 200 [NV20.1] > Video Card : NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200 >> General Information Manufacturer : Nvidia Corp (Micro-Star International Co Ltd (MSI)) Model : GeForce3 Ti 200 [NV20.1] Bus Type : AGP Total Memory : 64 MB Texture Memory : 176 MB Processor : GeForce3 Ti 200 Converter : Integrated RAMDAC Refresh Rate (min/max) : 60/75 Hz >> GPU Information Number of GPU : 1 Codename : NV20 Revsion : A5 Bus : 128-bit Memory Type : DDR-SDRAM GPU Frequency : 175 MHz Memory Frequency GPU : 2 x 200.45 MHz Memory Bandwidth : 6414 MB/s Texels : 1600 MTexels/s DirectX Support : 8.0 >> GPU Configuration GPU Core : 174 MHz GPU Memory : 400 MHz >> Video Bios Information Date : 09/18/01 Version : Version 3.20.00.18.08 ID : Version 3.20.00.18.08 >> i2C Bus Information Number of Bus : 2 >> General Features Width : 337 mm Height : 270 mm Pixel per inch : 96x96 dpi bits per pixel : 32 Colour Bits/Planes : 1 Brushes : 4294967295 Pens : 4294967295 Markers : 0 Device Fonts : 0 Device Colours : 4294967295 Clip Output to Rectangle : Yes Hardware Acceleration : Yes >> Blend and Shade Capabilities GradientFill Rectangle : No GradientFill Traingle : No Per Pixel AlphaBlend : Yes Premultiplied Alpha : No >> Raster Capabilities Banding : No Transfer Bitmaps : Yes Bitmap >64 KB : Yes Fonts larger than 64 K : Yes DIBs : Yes DIBTODEV : Yes Flood Fills : Yes Scaling : No StretchBlt : Yes StretchDIB : Yes >> Curves Capabilities Chord Arcs : Yes Circles : Yes Elipses : Yes Interiors : Yes Pie Wedges : Yes Rounded Rectangles : Yes Styled Borders : Yes Wide Borders : Yes Wide, Styled Borders : Yes >> Lines Capabilities Interiors : Yes Markers : Yes Polylines : Yes Polymarkers : Yes Styled : Yes Wide : Yes Wide, Styled : Yes >> Polygonal Capabilities Interiors : Yes Alternate Fill Polygons : Yes Winding Fill Polygons : Yes Rectangles : Yes Scan Lines : Yes Styled Borders : Yes Wide Borders : Yes Wide, Styled Borders : Yes >> Text Capabilities Stroke Precision : Yes Stroke Clip Precision : Yes 90° Character Rotation : No Any Angle Character Rotation : No Independant X-Y Scaling : No Double Weighted Characters : No Italic : No Underline : Yes Strikeout : Yes Raster Fonts : Yes Vector Fonts : Yes >> Color Management Capabilities CMYK : No Gamma Ramp : Yes ICM Device : NoHere's what I want to do:Use PTE to make smooth slideshows using P&Z and the other object animations (I was waiting for that and wnsoft has done a marvelous job on that - worth waiting for)Save these 'small' projects as AVIInclude them with video fragments to combine them into one big project using Vegas SW and burn a holidays souvernir DVD that I can watch on TV.What I seem to notice is the time it takes for the transitions effects between 2 slides (the opacity change from 0 to 100 in the object animation seems to be fast however so I'm not too sure about this feeling.Resizing the pictures to a more decent resolution then how they came from the camera also makes a big difference.Regards, Bart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alrobin Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Bart,Where you will notice the biggest difference is where you have several transitions close together, and also where you use several objects in O&A, with many PZR actions happening at once. It should also smooth out the little glitch in PZR action at the point where a transition ends, or the next one begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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